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(Well I did't think it was all that obvious!)
Would you like us to offer the new words for the wanted list here???
Dried plum fruit - Figys ploum?
A Dried plum - Figys ploumenn?
Some dried plums - Figys ploumennow?
My Breton dict. gives prun-sec'h for 'prunes'. So how about ploum-sygh in Kernewek?
Kothwas
Currants is given in the morton nance memorial dictionary as
Fyges corynt. = Figys corynt?
Fyges is still used in dialect to mean any of the dried fruit. At least by my family it is.
Nance agrees with you, see his entry for "fygesyn", which seems to take care of most of the dried fruit. Figys ploum would then fit in for prunes. Note that for "plum puddin" Nance has "pellen fyges".
That leaves us with what to call fresh currants. Welsh doesn't seem to have a word other than cyren, cwrens from English I imagine. But has rhyfon for "blackcurrants". So maybe korynt(-enn) du (or koryns(-enn)??). Keep the figys bit for the dried version?
(This word is on Ken George's Wanted List)
In frequent colloquial usage in English: does Kernewek have a good equivalent?
One hears dell waytyav 'as I hope/expect' often, and I've never been happy with using this for 'as I HOPE', because of the range of meanings of gwaytya : 'to take care, mind, be sure to; hope, expect' [as given in GKK].
So could one use the word govenek here? Obviously dell usi govenek dhymm is too cumbersome, likewise herwydh ow govenek. How about a'm govenek or just a wovenek?
In Welsh the word gobeithio 'to hope' is used on its own (the infinitive) colloquially to mean 'hopefully'. So maybe in Kernewek just use govenek on its own? Why not?
Kothwas (Tony Snell)
Another word in Ken George's Wanted List.
(This is one I've wanted for a long time since I do a lot of it in rowing and expeditioning.)
I believe several European languages simply borrow the English word.
N. Williams' Eng-Cor dictionary has dyscans and megyans, but these don't supply the specific need. Welsh has hyfforddiant. It doesn't appear in my Breton dictionary.
We need a head-word 'to train' with which we can build words for 'trainer', 'training', and perhaps 'trainee' too.
There is the Welsh word (starred as obsolete in Y Geiradur Mawr) forddio 'to guide', and my guess (I'm not trained in lingusitics) is that hyfforddio means 'to guide well'. I wonder if Kernewek ever had the word fordhya meaning 'to guide'? To me this doesn't seem implausible.
So why not imitate Welsh and make hefordhya 'to train' ? Then one could have hefordhyas for 'trainer' (more euphonious than hefordhydh); hefordhyans 'training'; and maybe even hefordhesik 'trainee'.
If these did get into regular usage, then I could foresee their pronunciation developing into hevorrya, hevorryas, (perhaps even hevorrydh), hevorryans, hevor'zik.
Kothwas
Hmm, looks like it means something like "to ease one on one's way (to success?)". Is that what we mean by 'training', I'm not sure. I don't like your word for 'trainee'. What about hefordhyas as 'trainee' and then hefordhydh for a '(professional?) trainer'?
Thanks for the comments.
Do you have Y Geiriadur Mawr (1958)?
In the list of prefixes and suffixes there, pp 445-446, one finds:
hy- (soft, 'well, fine', as in hyfryd, hygar.
'-able', as in hydrin, hylaw.
I simply guessed that the first of these two was relevant to the Old Welsh verb forddio.
I wonder if there is a Welsh linguist out there who could advise?
Kothwas
We already have hegar, hebleth and perhaps a few more, so you're building on an established pattern. IIRC it's the same prefix as Greek eu- as in euphony etc.
Pesyans or is that used for something already?
I reckon that pesyans ia absolutely fine for 'continuation': it could scarcely mean anything else!
Kothwas
Is Dones actually used by anyone instead of Dos
In Rev. R. Williams Dictionary he says it can mean both to come and to arrive. Perhaps this could be used for that?
OR perhaps gordhos Completely + come, could be conjugated as dos
My re wordheuth ~ I have arrived
Prag na wordheuva an lyther? ~ why has the letter not arrived?
Orth Pensans ni a wra gordhos yn skon ~ We shall arrive at Penzance soon
In dialect a twisted straw horse collar is called a Mungar and apparently in Rev. R Williams dictionary again Myngar was a horse collar/yoke. With Welsh cognat Mynwar/Mynci and Irish Muinee
Ive also found reference to guiden old Cornish for a collar (presumably made of sticks) With welsh Cognate gwden this translates as a withe in English, a twisted rope made of willow. - I'm guessing this would then be gwiden in Kemmyn?
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